Fierce is the best way to describe her. She doesn’t quit—especially when her first efforts fail. She sticks with her friends—even when they’re easily ignored by others. She speaks her mind—no matter if some are likely to disagree.

My daughter Natalie just turned 12 years old on Monday, but her fierce streak amazes and encourages and teaches me. Even as I’m asking God to help me parent her well, I’m learning from the intensity and strength I see in her. Let me tell you why.

This week’s podcast is with a church leader making a difference. I’m looking forward to what you’ll hear from Cal Jernigan, longtime pastor with Central Christian Church in the greater Phoenix, Arizona area.

My friend Brook Brotzman calls it “The Art of the Hang.” If you get together with people who will challenge or encourage you, you’ll discover there’s no better way to spend your time. If you just hang with leaders who care about your ministry, your ministry will be better for it.